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I don't think that Wynn ever played with calton, day, or wilder. I can remember reading about him at tech when those guys were still in school. They were very competitive from 89-98. They were in the playoffs every year but definitely under-achieved. That was without yearly coaching changes and a solid staff.
I think Wynn's last year was '96.
Jimmy Martin (who played at ETSU with Calton) and Justin Chambers were a couple of other good ones off those '97-'98 teams.
Just a thought- I saw a Jonesville middle school team play about 2000. They were running a 3 wide set a good part of the game, still got beat by kids who ran between the tackles and knew who to block and to wrap-up tackles. If the head coach at the high school gets kids like this, he has to teach basics. Sometimes you need to take care of your job, and the coaches at the younger ages need to get basics before getting fancy. It worked for Cummins, Turner and Robbins.
I got my enrollment figures from Mike twigg. I figured they were accurate. Maybe not.
Did Robby Diggs ever play football? My God man. He could jump Lol.
My mistake on Wynn. I thought he graduated with Calton, but it was the year before. He redshirted at Tech the fall of 97 which should have been Calton's SR year.
Those three years (96-98) saw a good number of players go on to play collegiately too. Wynn at Va Tech, Calton and Martin at ETSU, Satterfield at VMI and Emory & Henry, Cantor and Adam Mosely also both at E&H, Buchanan at Ferrum, Joey Carroll also got to play on the '98 team too I think...he went on to Concord and is now Marion's football coach. Probably forgetting some others but all I can think of right now. Matt Young was a good tight end on those teams, he played basketball at Wise. Mikhael Tabor was a receiver/db, played baseball at VI. Merle Middleton was another good lineman off those teams. Wynn and Calton were also drafted by NFL teams, Wynn by the Colts and Calton by the Steelers.
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Originally Posted by Rich_Kotite
I asked again. The reason, Pennington High had such high enrollment figures is because they included 8th grade in that building so it was 8-12 being compared to 9-12 at Lee. Still, hard to believe our area has seen better days 20 years ago than now :(
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Originally Posted by beamer_ball
Tabor was good baseball player. Matt Young was I was thinking of when I said Day earlier actually. I remember his dad coaching basketball for their LL teams at Pennington when we were playing against each other.
Look out, you said the magic words, little league coach. Next in line, hahaha. They've had some great athletes throughout the years. It's a shame. They've slipped through before some current ones could see it and strive to follow them and do better, or at least wear it out trying.
I would like to see Lee get things figured out. That running back this yr was special. I hated to see him get lost in a bad system.
Graham was an amazing running back. The good and bad thing about Lee's football program is that the Anders kid is probably just as good as Graham and he has one year left. I hope they can get something straitened out as well so that Anders can play on a good program
Anders is a senior. Lee has 12 seniors graduating this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnIoNfAn
The Anders boy is probably just as good as Graham, just didn't get as many oppurtunities to shine... if you want to see him in action though... come on out to some track meets this spring.. he competed at the state level in the 100, 200 and 4X100 relay and is really fast.. he is also a really great kid... I am not in any way taking anything away from Graham.. know him really well also... but really felt for Anders for not getting many oppurtunities.. they could have had a trio of backs there as well.. with Snodgrass at the fullback..
He had the opportunities but let more get away as the season went on, turnovers hurt him especially. He'll certainly be a part of an another fast group if sprinters this track season.
Snodgrass is transferring to TW.Quote:
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Per post on CMD forum, Barry Jones may have been named Lee's next coach.
Now this will definately make it interesting. Jone did not play the "intrusive parent game" at P.V. or Gate City.Quote:
Originally Posted by beamer_ball
Poor Barry
I was thinking that Anders was a Junior. Its sad that he's a senior. IMO Anders could have started at any other school in this area. He made some killer runs when he had the ball. IDK if he was as fast as Graham, but I do know that he was just as good of a back as Graham.
Barry Jones is by far the BEST coach that has ever coached in SWVA. The stats back this statment up. Barry was the reason for 7 of the 8 State championships at Powell Valley and Barry also played a huge roll in Gate city's last two state championships. That man is wearing 9, yes count them9, state rings for coaching. Thats more than any active coach in SWVA. It was proven when Barry left Powell Valley and went to Gatecity that Barry was the driving force behind the winning tradition at Powell Valley. In 2005 Phill made it back to the state game with PV and lost (the only state lose for the vikings). Phill is an offencive genius, a fact that was proven time and again with powell valley, but if Phill has to so much as worry about anything other than his offece then he goes all to hell and cant keep up with it. Barry basicly ran the show for years and was more loved than any other coach has been at Powell Valley. Barry made Phill and I feel like that is a statement that anyone who ever wore the Columbian blue will agree with. If Barry goes to Lee high, you can expect to see a huge difference in there team within two years. Barry dont play politics, Barry plays football players. He will in no way give into the political BS or be bought off. If Lee lands Barry Jones they will have the best coach that has ever put on ear phones in SWVA.
Forget it all, Barry wasn't hired, figured so.
Best coach to ever? Wow...Cummins,Frye,Riggs,Turner...that's a stretch manQuote:
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By naming those four coaches, which one would get the nod on being the best defensive coach, mine would have to go(and I am probably biased)Quote:
Originally Posted by Unchained
1. Riggs
2. Cummins
3. Frye
4. Turner.
I really don't want to start a disagreement, Turners last year as an assistant- his defense outscored the offense. I can't see how you could pick a clear "best coach" for this area. It is finally starting to sink in, we were blessed with kids that wanted to win and coaches and parents that didn't cause problems. I've had some folks (out of the area) tell me 'you never see that" at home. The level of football the kids and coaches provided won't ever be the same. It's sad, but I think the world has changed too much to have a real "hard nosed" coach again. The schools have talent and the coaches are good, I just think times have changed too much.
I think we were talking of Tom, not Travis. I know Travis was an assistant down at Lee for a while. Politics at the schoolboard level is what is killing Lee, along with the parents thinking that their "little Johnny" is better when is reality, they aren't. Same thing will happen to Wise county schools if someone at the SB level doesn't put a stop to it.
Phil Robbins won seven state titles, how is he not on the short list of the best coaches ever in teh area?
All the above mentioned coaches are legends no doubt bu Barry has racked up 9 state championships with two programs, thats nearly the same amount as the other gentlemen combined have. Riggs and Turner made bulldog football, point blank. combined they had 5 state championships. Cummins was an amazing motivator and he himself won 3 state titles I think. Frye loved smashmouth football and made men out of boys and won 3 titles as well i think. I may not be exact on those numbers but give or take 2 thats a total 11ish state titles for 4 coaches that are legends in SWVA. Barry has 9 by himself. He won 7 at powell valley and two more at Gatecity. Its a fair assesment to say that where ever Barry goes winning traditions follow this man. IMO and its souly that, Barry is the best coach to ever stand on a SWVA sideline. He dont get the credit the other coaches get but Barry deserves to be right up there beside Turner, Frye, Cummins, and Riggs. Barry was powell valley's heart and soul for over 20 years and put a fire in the blue devils that had been burning a little less than normal before his arrival. His role at GC wasnt as "hands on" as it was a Powell Valley, but it was still transformingly strong enough to bring two titles to Scott Co. in what a 6 year span. Barry is by far the most underestimated, overlooked, and best all around coach in SWVA. He ranks with the above mentioned men and IMO is tops
the biggest reason Phil isnt mentioned is it was proven that those 7 titles were more Barry than Phill. If you played under Barry then im sure you can agree. Phill, as I mentioned earlier, is an offensive mastermind but if he has to do anything other than his offense he cant handle it. Barry was like a NASCAR crew chief, he basicly done it all except set in the driver's seat at powell valley.Quote:
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Tom is who I was talking about.Quote:
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I played under Barry at GC. Man knows football
Thats an absolute joke. So the DC was more important to the success of a team than the HC/OC? Give me a break. As far as I know, PV never won a state title 2-0.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnIoNfAn
Thats downplaying the contributions of Phil, and its simply inaccurate.
Not taking anything away from Jones, he was a great DC and an integral part of PVs success, but to claim he was the only reason and was more important to PV winning state titles is crazy
Barry was the O line coach, D coordinator, headed up special teams, and helped with the backfield blockers. Phill proved he couldnt win a state title without Barry. The gatecity boys can tell ya that Barry Knows football and is one heck of a motivator. I played under Barry and one year without Barry at Powell Valley and the differece was HUGE. Barry made Phill and if you played under Barry you would know that. Barry is 9 and 0 in state games, Phill is 7 and 1 (1 lose without Barry)
Barry is 9-1 I believe. He was on staff for the Gretna blowout of GC I do believe.
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Ive said I thought Barry was a great coach, but he was not the sole reason they won state titles, thats absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnIoNfAn
Like I said, PV never won a state title 2-0. If Barry won all those titles, how come the offense always had to score 20+ points? and lol, its not like PV was running out state title talent every year after Barry left. It dropped off considerably.
If Barry was such a great coach, why has he never been a HC anywhere?
Because he's smarter than the average bear
Barry never wanted HC. Did you play under Barry Biggin? Barry ran the show at Powell Valley. He was NOT DC, Barry was Asistant Head Coach my friend. The reason Barry hasnt had a head coaches job isnt lack of offers, its Not what he wanted to do. like lemonade1 said "Because he's smarter than the average bear". The proof that Barry made powell valley, manassas park was good enough to get beat by at 20 points from any of the 85, 89,90,94,95,97,98 Powell Valley teams but was at the same time good enough to beat Phill without Barry and give powell valley its ONLY state loss. Barry is 9 and 0 Phill is 7 and 1. Barry ran pretty much everything except offense play calling for most of his career at powell valley. Barry is the better coach
I use to work with Barry's wife, I believe he would have liked to have been head coach at one time and she would have liked for him to have been head coach at one time. Even though I was told this pretty much directly I really can't speak for him or her and neither can anyone else here.
Bottom line is that before Phil took the job at PV they had won 1 (that's one) LPD title in the schools history. It's pretty hard to assign all the credit for that upon an assistant, regardless of how good he was, and he was (is) very good.
As for Manassas Park I don't fully agree there either. They weren't as good as some of the PV title teams, but they were unique in their attack and had a solid talented team that had put a pretty good thrashing on some other decent teams. They were without a doubt better than the North Hampton team PV beat or the Powhatan team that PV beat for state titles.
Your right Barry never wanted a HC job. He didnt even want the GC job when colobro left. He never wanted the attention, I played for him and asked him many times if he ever wanted to be a HC somewhere, he always said no because he rather be an assistant and work behind the scenes. He said back in his hayday he did want to be a HC a little bit. The man is smart and a killer guy. Had some of the best sayings too. He is done coaching, his mother passed away not to long ago, his kids have moved on, he is just settling down.
Like ya said Gotch, before Phill PV had one lpd title and one state championship. Durring the Phill and Barry era PV racked up 7 more state titles and probably 14 LPD titles. After Barry left PV won 2 to three 3 LPD titles and 0 state titles. Phill's record at prior to PV was about like it was after Barry left, a couple good seasons and a few district titles but not one state title. Dont get me wrong, Im not saying that Phill isnt a good OC but with 7 years combined of me and my brothe playing under Phill and Barry and numberous other years of being around the practices, camps, ect... Barry was the biggest reason for PV's success and a great deal of the reason GC put up two state titles while he was there. Kids love Barry and play their hearts out for that man, hes the best motivator and probably one of the highest knowledgable men when it comes to football. The numbers speak for themselves, Barry's defences seldom let a team put more than 20 points on the board and more often then not kept teams under 14. Not to mention his offensive blocking schemes were amazing. Barry coached more than DC, he ran the offense line, DC, fullback, strength and conditioning (which is the biggest factor), and special teams. Look at PV prior, durring, and after Barry and tell me the records dont speak for themselves. Barry was the reason for PV's success. Phill took the same kids that played under Barry and couldnt go past first round of the playoffs (sometimes region d game). Look at Gatecity's record. 1997 was their last state title, Barry arrives and in two years they are wearing another ring. Couple years later another ring. Gatecity went from a quality team to a finely tuned machine. GC never was a slouch program, but Barry gave that something extra that he brings and wham bam two titles in what 5 years.